About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

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About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby abdul666lw » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:10 am

The question of Lace Wars female soldiers figurines is really a *vicious circle*. Given the quasi-absence of miniatures very few players field a female regiment; then, since they don't appear on the web, in conventions... manufacturers doubt they represent a growth market and decline to invest.
And yet there *is* a market -not of the scale of the historical types offered e.g. by recent initiatives such as Minden Miniatures, but certainly larger than that of the Eureka SYW Teddy Bears. So much the more as, not only are most Imagi-Native players willing to add a 'Maiden Guard' to their force, but 'female marines' can appear in 'pirates' games: and pirates players are an open-minded bunch, their pirates often meeting dinosaurs, King Kong, Deep Ones and zombies.

Nothing really in 15mm and 'Soldadets' had to convert WSS male types: with their baggy coats and given the scale he obtained very satisfying results. http://soldadets.blogspot.fr/2011/03/regiment-femeni.html
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In 28mm there IS a very good, if limited (no mounted versions, chiefly) range, the Eureka 'Sandras' http://www.chronofus.net/wargames/eureka/sandra/index.htm
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But it is kept obscure, absent from the manufacturer site and thus practically ignored; its diffusion remains confidential and local, of the handful of Imagi-Nation builders I know to use a Sandra regiment at least 3 are Australians.

(To be complete Shadowforge has the 'Lady Jane's Rifles', but they are in Late French Revolution / Early Napoleonic bicornes; and, chiefly, they are *hideous*: the sculpting is far below the usual Shadowforge standard, and with their baggy gaiters they look like suffering elephantiasis.)


Now the femininity of the Sandras is very subdued: specially for the infantry (with the coat on) nobody seeing them from more than a foot could imagine they are not men (even the variant tempting to lure us to navel wargaming, if painted with a shirt, would pass unnoticed). To the point that an Imagi-Nation ruler having received a few posted on his blog the first painted one without having noticed she was a girl.
But wargamers -adults playing with toy soldiers- are generally young at least in heart and mind :) specially the 'imagi-native' ones, of course. Thus I'm sure most of them would appreciate more... obviously feminine female soldiers.
Uniform suggestion:
- lace-edged tricorne (feathered, at least for the officer?): they have to look glamorous;
- short coat (re. Black Scorpion MarinesImage
or even slightly shorter) tight-fitting, narrow waisted;

- instead of a waistcoat a topless corsage worn over a shirt with a generous cleavage: as featured in the traditional Bavarian Dirndl worn e.g. for the Oktoberfest, Google for images or search Youtube for videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4q0LN082eI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VsmxMoaUA
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in combination with
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Perhaps not the easiest detail to sculpt and paint, the blouse should be edged with a lot of doily lace: it was the time of the Lace Wars http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=262215

- very high thigh boots: less 'historically accurate' and practical than gaiters or dragoon bottines, but is it really a problem here? An objective advantage of boots would be that walking and riding variants would wear exactly the same uniform, making them dragoons: then, all foot types could be duplicated mounted, drummer included (I know, historically dragoons had oboeists rather than fifers: but then, what about a bagpiper instead? With the goat head still attached to the bag to be more spectacular -yes, there are historical 18th C. precedents).
When Soldadets raised his female regiment http://what-if-catalonia.blogspot.fr/2010/09/oddest-commission.html he initially planned to convert Blue Moon Shivan Sisterhood (with high boots) minis but they are 18mm.
(&, btw, to have all minis duplicated on foot and mounted would be precious, not only for 'battle' games but for 'individual adventures': for a time miniature 'adventurers' for D&D were systematically offered in the two variants.)

Specially in such a case it must not be forgotten that wargaming minis are intended, not to be scrutinized individually, but to be seen en masse from a distance: thus, the most distinguishing features are to be... emphasized :mrgreen:
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Now, no 28mm miniature in such uniform exists as yet: maybe posting corresponding template :shock: on NBA http://nba-sywtemplates.blogspot.fr/ would arouse so many positive reactions that an enterprising manufacturer would decide to take the plunge?



Back to the Sandras, the easiest / least investment requiring way for Eureka to start expanding the range would be to make variants of the infantry in riding pose (Eureka already has suitable horses). This would make the Sandras dragoons and they were (re. Maurice de Saxe's Rêveries) seen as 'Jack of all trades' able to fulfill many different roles: mounted line infantry, light troops, 'commandos', cheap heavy Horse...: thus the minis could fit any niche in an Imagi-Nation army. Besides, for Petite Guerre / skirmish games (such as e.g. the episodes of the never ending struggle between Lady Pettygree and Milady de Winter played by Bill Protz and D.A.F. http://campaignsingermania.blogspot.fr/search?q=pettygree) players would appreciate to be allowed to dismount the Maiden Guard during the game (e.g. started as a mounted escort, dismounts to fight in buildings or difficult terrain, remounts for the pursuit... as can now be done with the 'Victorian' Hinterland Husarinnen).
[Eureka / manufacturers take note: these two veteran wargamers are reminders that 18th C. players are an open-minded bunch, even die-hard 'historical' among them make forays in imaginative territory , potential buyers of 'fictional' minis are not restricted to builders of Imagi-Nations.]

Several rather small recent manufacturers produce lovely female minis: Banelords, Guild of Harmony, Kabuki, Kingdom Death, Raging Heroes, Vesper-on (Carnevale) to name a few. But Eureka proved long ago with their 'Pirate Lady' figurines (some also sold by Irregular) -the 'root' of the Sandras- to have a sculptor gifted to render lovely women and cute feminine faces.
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Re: About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby Cardinal Hawkwood » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:36 pm

I am impressed.
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Re: About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby abdul666lw » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:33 pm

For Imagi-Nation builders (or 'Historicals' tempted by a little 'unhistoricity') playing in 1/72 , the equivalent of the Sandras just appeared:
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from http://www.cw-toys.de/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=18&Itemid=55&limitstart=10 (why are they called 'Napoleonic' I simply can't understand, they are obviously 'Lacy')

And, yes, Imagi-Nations can field 1/72 inexpensive armies: Fromagere http://princelupus.blogspot.fr/search/label/imagiNation, Frundsberg http://frundsbergfs.blogspot.fr/, Lagerburg-Slobbovia http://lagerburgduchy.blogspot.fr/ for instance.
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Re: About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby abdul666lw » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:59 pm

The Eureka100 Club has 3 'projects':
Lace Wars Female Imagination Infantry: http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_88_95&products_id=11714
Lace Wars Female Imagination Cavalry: http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_88_95&products_id=11715
Lace Wars Female Imagination Artillery: http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_88_95&products_id=11716

Hopefully still in 28mm: even if it makes them slightly smaller than, say, Minden miniatures, all the better, women are on the average more petite than men.


If these come to fruition, ideally Eureka would still keep offering the traditional Sandras (completed with riding variants): a manufacturer launching a line of SYW Prussian fusiliers does not withdraw the SYW Prussian musketiers he was already producing! 'Improved' and 'traditional' Sandras can play complementary parts, e.g. Guard / Line vs Militia / Light troops if the 'new' Sandras are more glamorous.
Let's preserve biodiversity!


The Sandras are arousing much interest on the LAF: http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=40586.msg475405#msg475405
Hope Eureka (&/or another manufacturer) will feel motivated to answer. If the thread here and posts elsewhere reveal enough interest / potential buyers, Eureka will consider this rather simple way to expand the range (they already have suitable horses) and make it more readily available: turning from a vicious circle to a snowball effect.
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Re: About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby abdul666lw » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:45 pm

As it happens, I still have other ideas / suggestions (more for skirmishes / pirates / swashbuckling / Lacepulp / Lacepunk games than pitched battles) for 3 'characters' / female heroes (heroines scream and have to be rescued):
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=26308.msg475373#msg475373
An 'adventuress', a quasi-elvish Assassin and a 'Pirette captain'.


EDITED: Well, just in case an enterprising sculptor would read this....

=> http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=250199
a rather appealing 18th C. 'female adventurer / secret agent' and an even more... fanciful 18th C. female Assassin: both could have their way in any Pirate / Swashbuckling ('Gloire') / Gothic Horror (Carnevale http://vesper-on.com/index.php / A Touch of Evil http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35815/a-touch-of-evil-the-supernatural-game) / Horror http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.fr/search/label/Strange%20Aeons%2018th%20century / Pulp / Science Fiction http://www.drunkendragoonproductions.com/18thcentimagi-nation/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81 game set in the Lace Wars era.



=> give her
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(from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zjXvmyLWg)
a tricorne over a 'period' haircut
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a rapier and a pistol and you'll have a stunning (http://tinminis.com/Delia2010.jpg :mrgreen: ) 'pirette captain'.
A Steampunk variant could easily be obtained with an alternate head http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4QfNLjPi3yc/Tq0BN2UdOyI/AAAAAAAAAnw/6yxgfKV11Yo/s1600/robida+le+vingtieme+siecle.JPG (perhaps with goggles?) and VSF weapons.


Ideally the 3 'characters' should be available on foot and riding (horses to be obtained elsewhere) as at a time it was practically the norm for minis of 'dungeon adventurers'.

All in 28mm: even if it makes them slightly smaller than, say, Minden miniatures, all the better, women are on the average more petite than men.




Really *odd* how -while our hobby basically invites everyone -children included- to simulate wounding, killing, the maiming of human bodies- some prefer female miniatures to look androgynous. As if it was feminine beauty which was 'shocking', obscene, had to be toned down / hidden (from children?). On TMP vignettes of 'finishing off' a helpless wounded foe are displayed for all, children included, to see; but bits of unpainted metal or plastic 28mm high are concealed behind an 'adult filter'. Seems to reflect a bizarre perversion of aesthetic / ethical values, of what is really ugly / obscene, of what type of images children have to be protected, if that is the underlying reason of such censorship.
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Re: About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby abdul666lw » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:49 am

If the new plastic '1/72 semi Sandras' from Germany http://www.cw-toys.de/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=18&Itemid=55&limitstart=10 are actually 'large' 23mm (almost 25mm), women on the average are more petite than men, put on thick bases they could appear in a 28mm army? A princess' Nubile Guard / Brünhildjugend? True 'maiden', these, hopefully!
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Re: About Lace Wars 'Imagi-Native' Maiden Guards

Postby Cardinal Hawkwood » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:04 am

they look very Sandra
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